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Writing: Characterization and Body Language

ETA: This is an evolving post. Things may be deleted or altered. I apologize for the inconvenience. I plan on adding in other people's comments and interpretations, clarifying my own thoughts, and adding in more sections as it occurs to me. If you would like me not to add in your interpretations or want me to add more, then please tell me and I will do so. Feel free to hijack my lj with your own comments and conversations, as long as it has some relevance to the topic at hand. Also, feel free to correct my grammar and spelling.



Writing: Characterization and Body Language

When I'm writing, I like to get across information about the characters' states of mind through body language, because it lets me write sentences like:

"I am not angry," she said through clenched teeth. The pen in her hand snapped, staining her fingers with ink.

I assumed that if I've got some type of writing skill, the reader should be able to figure out that the character's words don't match her actions, and that she really is angry, because mellow people generally don't clench their teeth and commit violent acts against writing utensils. Plus, sometimes I want a reaction shot, but I want the characters' state of mind to be ambiguous. Another reason I like body language is that at least one character is uncommunicative-- that's not their personality, they don't know how, or they're too uncomfortable with the situation. Body language is a shortcut to the character's reactions, and lets me move on with the story.

Then it occurred to me that body language isn't universal, and that this way of writing is heavily dependent on my powers of observation, and the ability to interpret what I see. That's a problem. I could be way off base, because I'm generalizing based on one set of data. I might think I wrote about anger, but the audience could read clumsiness into the example sentence. I try to have my characters react in an individual way, but even after all that, they tend to share some common body language. The other problem is that if I continue to post my writing on the internet, any English-reading person could come across it, but might not necessarily interpret body language in the same way that I do. Because that English-reading person has a whole different set of experiences than I do.

So I thought it would make an interesting intellectual exercise to post about how I write character body language, and what I think it means, and see if people interpret it similarly or differently. Then depending on that, I'll know to contextualize the body language more, or just figure out a way to write, "She was angry," in a graceful way.

Context is Everything: Where I'm Coming From

Abstract: I'm coming from a middle-class American standpoint. This section is here so you can get an idea of where I'm getting my interpretations. You can scroll down to the next part if you don't want details.

I'll try to be as detailed as possible without giving away too many identifying markers on a public post. I'm from the United States, specifically the west coast. I also grew up in the New England area. I grew up in a metropolitan area with a huge amount of diversity, and I now live in a cosmopolitan area. I've lived in the suburbs and in a major city. Another way to put this is that I'm more adept at deciphering broken English, while I get confused by the American South accent. When I'm meeting someone new, I can't assume that we'll share similar backgrounds, and should expect a certain amount of miscommunication to happen. This, now that I think about it, might explain why I like writing about characters miscommunicating, and having double-entendre conversations. I just thought I did it for my own perverse amusement.

I've never lived in any rural areas, and everything I learned about the American South and the Midwest has been pretty much through anecdotes from expatriates and online fen, and the media. For me, small town settings are as exotic as Britain. I have gotten the impression that people interact differently in small towns. What I've picked up about British culture has been through the media and the [info]hp_britglish community. I know less about other English-speaking and writing areas of the world. So I don't know how body language would translate to people from other places.

My point is, I as an American could be thinking clenched teeth = anger, while a non-American, English-reading fan could be thinking clenched teeth = hunger. I should also know better than to universalize body language, because hey, we all come from different backgrounds, and it's so environment specific. Well, you know what they say about short-cuts.

Ignore this-->Placeholder: Body Language in Real Life vs. Fiction

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
--Mark Twain




*Notes to Self: RL is ambiguous and complex, and has no known planning. In fiction everything has to make sense, even if it's only to the author. Either use eye contact, or blinking as an example. Consider including the use of symbolism, or not. Definitely include a caveat about using this post as a real life guide.

The breakdown between contested gestures and gestures with multiple and contradictory meanings is really interesting.




Ignore this-->Placeholder: Alternate Ways to Convey Character Reaction

*Notes to Self: The use of adverbs, description, and flat out telling. Others?

Ex:
--"..." he said, sadly.
--His sadness leached the life out of him, leaving nothing but a dry husk of the man he used to be . (too purple?)
--He was sad.

The potential disadvantages of body language.



LIST OF CHARACTERS' BODY LANGUAGE

Eyes

blinking-- 1. Surprise, disbelief, 'I can't believe my eyes.' I suspect this is a me-specific writing device, and in RL I think blinking is meaningless, 2. something in the eyes

raised eyebrow-- skepticism

narrowed eyes-- ambiguous reaction shot, which needs context to tease out any meaning. Could be skepticism, concentration, sun in the eyes, determination, focus, desire, anger, mild irritation, etc.

averted eyes-- 1. Discomfort with the topic ("I did not want to see that." Or, "Drop the subject. Now."), 2. lying, 3. submission, 4. respect

ETA [info]newbia: ...a lot of people look down when they're avoiding eye contact or shy, or do their nails when they're bored.

shifty eyes-- ETA [info]beethovenette87: I didn't notice shifty eyes up there - this often indicates lying/deception - I read it in a detective how-to book.

eye contact-- 1. connecting to the other person, trying to figure him/her out, paying attention, subtle signal to get the other person's attention, 2. American-specific bid to appear confident and trustworthy, 3. in a girl it's casual, in a guy it's serious. My RL position is more ambivalent.

ETA Anonymous: Would just like to add that depending on the people involved, looking someone in the eye could be an act of defiance (also straightforwardness) or intimidation as well. But usually you can glean that from the context - particularly from what the person is saying.

ETA [info]evalangui: About eye-contact (I know I`m ranking, cannot seem to stop) I think it`s very personal(though I`ve been told Japanese find it offensive from strangers). ...some people seem to expect it as a sign that you are paying attention.

ETA [info]: One I particularly remember is that liars make more direct eye contact than innocent people, because 'everyone knows that liars are shifty-eyed', including the liars!

gaze/direction they're looking in/head turn-- 1. indicator of what they're thinking about. This is a huge writing device for me. If they're looking at the door, they're thinking about making a run for it, no matter what they say. If they're looking at a weapon, there's going to be violence. If their eyes are flickering between the apple and the orange, they're debating about which to choose. If their eyes are everywhere, they're trying to find the bigger context. If they're gazing into the distance, they're lost in thought. 2. communicates their mood. I take a little poetic license with this one. This doesn't translate well into RL, but since this is fiction I think I'm allowed to tidy up the loose ends and messiness.

ETA [info]baseballchica03: There is often evidence to show that if a person is looking down and to
the right, they are "creating" and down and to the left is "recalling." ie: If a person is looking down and to the right, he/she is probably lying.

looking at his/her own hands-- contemplating what s/he's capable of, trying to figure out if s/he can reach his/her goal, wanting to test his/her mettle, doubt in self. I know this is me-specific, and I'm trying to edit this out, but it keeps creeping back in. I don't know why, since I don't assign that meaning to the gesture in RL.

ETA Anonymous: If I read that some character is looking at their hands, I tend to think that they're uncomfortable with the subject at hand (hah), or, if they're speaking, they don't have complete faith in or aren't particularly sure of what they're saying.

ETA [info]beethovenette87: For looking at one's own hands, this could also indicate some
internal emotion going on, ie. Lady Macbeth, "Will these hands n'er be clean..." Often, very emotionally pained people will cut their hands, ie. self-harm.

There's another circumstance. Myself, being a piano player, would look at my hands with a certain degree of protectiveness. The same would go for an artist, or another type of musician. Hands often suggest a nurturing quality, ie. the nurturing mother within us all. The lines across our palms may suggest fate, destiny, or unique qualities, etc.

holding one's head in one's hands-- ETA Anonymous: I think that holding one's head in one's hands is also a debatably universal gesture of hopelessness or grief.





Head

head tilt-- 1. trying to see from the other's POV, 2. they're listening; tends to be more of a guy gesture than a girl one, and doesn't indicate agreement or disagreement or that they understand

ETA [info]clare_dragonfly: Head tilt is thinking, listening, slight confusion, waiting (for the other person to clear up what they've said).

ETA [info]jetamors: Head tilts: I pretty much only associate those with that 'Oh!' or 'Huh, that's weird' moment when one finally understands something.

head shaking-- 1. disorientation, 2. disagreement

ETA [info]clare_dragonfly: Head shaking is confusion sometimes.

ETA [info]snowyheart: I've also seen people shake their heads when hearing about something bad that happened to someone else; it seems like a way of saying, "man, that's terrible, how awful." I think it's a gesture of sympathizing.

ETA [info]: Oh, and head-shaking is another good tell that I see a lot in politicians and PR people, when they have to say something publicly that they personally disagree with or don't believe - they say it, but they shake their heads 'No' at the same time.

head lift-- 1. arrogance, or extreme security in self, 2. resolve. Is this just an American thing, or what?

ETA [info]delurker: I'd see a head lift as a prelude to action, but I'd expect to see other body language with it - squaring of the shoulders, perhaps, or (more likely) a straightening up of the body. Basically getting ready to move.

head nodding-- ETA [info]snowyheart: There's nodding too: to show agreement of course, or just to say yes. This might be just where I'm from, but I've seen men nod very slightly to show respect toward a lady--hearkens back to when a man bowed his head a little to take his hat off, and means the same thing.

ETA [info]: There's a country or region somewhere in Europe where the 'head-nodding = yes, head-shaking = no' body language is reversed: 'head-nodding = NO, head-shaking = YES'. I think it might be Italy, or maybe Greece...

face touching-- 1. intimacy, either between lovers, family members, or best friend. Huge social breach if done by a stranger or casual acquaintance. 2. If a girl touches her own face, it's self-comfort gesture.

ETA [info]baseballchica03: Nose scratching is often indicative of lying, as well.

hair tousle-- 1. platonic gesture of affection, usually done by someone older to someone younger, like parent to child, anyone to young child, older sibling to younger. It's affectionate, and the gesture emphasizes the size difference between one person and another, which I interpret as an older/younger dynamic, and unequal status, or just one friend needling another. And it's too undignified to do to an adult. IMO, tends to be more of a guy thing than a girl, although it happens to both when they're young children. You just don't mess with a girl's hair when she hits her teens.

hair stroking-- 1. intimate gesture, tenderness, 2. between lovers, parents and kids, and tends to be a girl thing (I can see female friends stroking each others' hair, but not male friends). If it's between two non-related people, then it's got romantic connotations.

ETA [info]: Hair touching can be a flirtatious gesture: 'look at me, look at my healthy hair, don't you want your future children to have hair this healthy?' *g* It's also a reassuring self-grooming gesture when people feel anxious.

kissing-- 1. on the lips, it's romantic 9 out of 10 times. Any exceptions are character and situation specific and have to be explained, like a bet or a different culture. 2. on the cheek or forehead or other area, can be a romantic or platonic gesture. There are just too many contexts in which it can be taken: parent and child, filial oath in fantasy setting, lovers, siblings in some cases, other intimates, a culture specific gesture, etc.

ETA [info]furiosity: Hungarians kiss each other on the cheek twice when they are greeting
friends or family but in general the personal space considerations are similar to the west...

ETA [info]emirall: And in regard to kissing: Many of the French kiss each other on the cheek every time they meet. (As long as they're friends/family.) I've seen someone stop in the middle of a crowded shopping area just to kiss her friend who coincidentally passed her.

ETA Anonymous1: Careful with the French; they don't exactly kiss on the cheek, they put cheek to cheek and kiss thin air! And it can be with distant acquaintances, too; friends of friends and all. Kissing on the cheek is something reserved to very close friends (unless it's romantic); it can be between girls or between a guy and a girl.

ETA [info]conuly: In Belgium, you kiss three times - left, right, left (or maybe it's right, left, right). Or you shake hands.

ETA [info]evalangui: Kisses on the cheek? Just one time in Argentina, I keep getting confused since in Spain its one in each cheek (I see its like that in most of Europe), a lot of people do it when they are presented or meet someone new while in Argentina its usually for people you already know(or maybe is personal XD).

ETA [info]bolboretas and [info]evalangui, Link to discussion about Argentinian vs. Spanish kissing

ETA [info]daegaer: And on types of kiss - kisses on the top of the head seem particularly
parent & child to me, or if done between people of the same age, platonically affectionate (to me the kisser is putting the kissee in a temporary child/to be protected role - not a sexual kiss at all).

ETA [info]alixtii: I always thought it was incredibly patronizing for a guy to kiss a woman on the forehead. Then I got a girlfriend and realized that when one is taller than the other person, sometimes its the only way the angles line up--otherwise the kissee needs to be straining hir neck to look up at you.

voice cracking-- Is it just me, or does it always indicate emotional stress? Doesn't necessarily lead to crying, though. Just, emotional stress.

head thwap-- light to medium tap on someone's head; a rough gesture of exasperation. If the characters are close, then it's just a familiar gesture, and sometimes there's this affectionate undertone. If they're not, then it's annoying and rude. Opinion seems to be split on this, whether it's abusive or acceptable rough-play.

ETA [info]jetamors: The head thwap is also a long and hallowed disciplinary technique. :)

lip biting-- ETA [info]nike_victory: Lip biting can be a nervous habit, a sign of thought, or a physical sign of the person holding something back (like the - verbal - truth, their true strength, or a scream).

Universals-- smiles, frowns, glares, laughs, etc. Though it's so much fun to attempt to subvert the standard meanings behind the gestures.




Hands


clenched fists-- 1. restrained anger, hanging on to his/her temper by a thread, 2. threat of violence. This is a major writing shortcut for me.

tight grip-- 1. about to lose it, mental discomposure, sort of metaphysically dangling off a cliff and hanging on to your sanity

holding someone's wrists-- 1. restraint 2. possessiveness, ownership out of a desire for dominance or neediness, or a combination of both, 3. huge trust issue (If the one being restrained has no problem, then s/he wants to be there, otherwise it's a huge cause for alarm and s/he has grounds for the use of force. On the restrainer's part, it can either be, "I need you. Don't go, don't go," or "I'm getting what I want, whether you like it or not.") I like the ambiguity. Please tell me this isn't me-specific.

drumming fingers-- 1. character specific trait of energy, and impatience, 2. nervous tic, 3. just thinking

nail biting-- character specific trait, shows nervousness

ETA [info]jetamors: Nail biting can occasionally mean deep thought.

brushing fingertips-- ephemeralness, the need for connection and contact, longing, tenderness. Think doomed fairytale romance where the protag falls in love with a human-shaped alien entity like the sun, the stars, the wind, a bird, etc. Or chivalric romance. I think this one is definitely me-specific.

hovering hand over ___-- uncertainty, indecisiveness

ETA [info]clare_dragonfly: Hand hovering over something might, in addition to what you've said, indicate that they're about to reach for the thing but someone has started speaking to them, or they're in some way distracted and have paused before picking up the thing. I think that one would be pretty obvious in context though, heh.

trailing fingers-- 1. sensuality, simple physical pleasure in interacting with the world, 2. tenderness, care

intertwined fingers-- deep connection between the characters. Personally, it represents intertwined lives, or just a mutual desire to be together. I don't expect people to pick up the latter part, but do hope that it's a good indicator of characters connecting

hand on shoulder-- 1. tends to be a male gesture of affection, can be platonic or romantic, amongst adults, 2. male gesture of platonic affection if there's an age gap between the two (e.g. one's an adolescent or younger). And I'm probably one of the few that associates this gesture with paternal, mentorish feeling. 3. sometimes women do this to indicate affection, though usually they put their hands on people's arms, not the shoulder. I think it's because of the height difference between men and women. 4. getting someone's attention, can also be a light form of restraint

ETA [info]jetamors: Hand on shoulder can also be a "Look here" motion. Goes hand-in-hand with the restraint thing, to me.

hand on arm-- 1. tends to be a female gesture of affection. Sometimes light, glancing touches, or resting the hand on someone's arm. Tactile males do this, too, but in my experience it's a gesture that more women do. 2. getting someone's attention, can also be a light form of restraint

ETA [info]clare_dragonfly: Hand on arm is more comfort than affection to me.

ETA [info]jetamors: Hand on arm, in my experience, can be used in conjunction with some passive-aggressive objective. To me, it goes along with 'You're such a great friend. Therefore I know you'll be totally understanding and go along with X' where X is something that probably shouldn't be gone along with.

grabbing someone's hands and jumping up and down-- female gesture of shared excitement, usually young females, and even then, not often. I've never seen any male do this.

ETA [info]: Also, the holding hands and jumping up and down bit; I immediately thought of Will on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He'd do that a lot with Carlton or Ashley. So I think that if the male is acting silly, he'd do the jumping up and down (possibly screaming/laughing hysterically) bit. I have seen guys do it to mock girls who are jumping up and down screaming. But never in serious excitement, just being silly/making fun of someone.

ETA [info]emirall: The grabbing of someone's hands and jumping up and down is something I've honestly only seen very young children do. Both boys and girls actually. But we're talking about age 3 - 6 then.

flexing hands-- ETA [info]devenustate: Could be warming them up, flexing them with glee, or just wiggling them (often accompanied with an "oooh"), which I would use sarcastically between friends as a joke... Oh, and I sometimes do this - for anger. At the sides of your body, with your arms rigid, and your fingers just flexed out solidly. I do this when I'm angry but don't have an opportunity to express it.



Body

Hugging-- So complex, it deserves its own essay, and a fortnight of intense debate, some threads of which will end up on fandom_wank. ;) I'm including this because some people don't believe me when I say that there should be a manual on hugging. Nevertheless, in no particular order:
1. Gesture of affection and closeness. Sometimes.
2. Intimacy. Only between close friends, family, and lovers. If you qualify, it's an all access pass.
3. Another way to say hello and good-bye, like a handshake. Unisex; male and female hugging style tailored to upbringing, social climate, age, personality, social relationship, etc.
4. Only on formal occasions. Amongst the physically undemonstrative crowd. Little to no touching amongst family, close friends, and lovers. Hugging happens around life events like birthdays, graduations, weddings, funerals, etc. Kind of like a social obligation.
5. "I. Do. Not. Like. To. Be. Touched. I don't care if you're my parent/friend/lover/acquaintance. WTFBBQ, why are you touching me?" When this type ends up getting hugged, it's usually because they didn't duck fast enough. And were backed into a corner. And tied up. Some people just aren't tactile.
6. Comfort. "Your car broke down, you got caught in a downpour, and attacked by rabid wolves? Have a hug! Hope you feel better."
7. Clinginess, sometimes insecurity. Think of someone hanging on to his/her lover when someone's checking the lover out. Or if there's a vague suspicion of someone checking him/her out. Or even just because today's a day that ended with a Y. I've seen this in men and women.
8. As part of a way of interacting with the world. The uber-tactile person, who has to practically sit on their hands when they can't touch.
9. Close bonds forged by desperation. Think of two people clinging together against a storm, needing each other to stay alive, holding onto the last bit of warmth in the world. Or, "I'm not leaving you for anything in the world. We're going to face the apocalypse together. And we're going to survive! ...or die together. Did you remember to pack the extra ammo?"
10. "So glad you're alive." When the status quo is a hands-off, respect the personal bubble at all times, approach. Kind of like socially obligated hugging, except not. The difference is that this type of person ducks out on social hugs, but when they do hug, it's more heartfelt.
11. "Okay, no one's looking. We can hug now." Some people don't like demonstrating affection in public, but turn into cuddle monkeys in private.
12. False affection. Pretending to be close. Sometimes, manipulation. "You love me, right? If you loved me, you'd ___ for me."
13. Sexual come-on. Testing the waters, seeing if there's going to be sex involved somewhere down the road.

ETA [info]beethovenette87: About hugging I read in a book once that when people who really trust each other hug, they hug by leaning into one another - leaning in some of the body weight. People who don't trust each other might give 'surface hugs', really light ones. I don't know if this is necessarily true or not, I read it in The Spirit Window, by Joyce Sweeney.

ETA [info]daegaer: American culture seems very much more huggy than Irish to me - I have
friends I've never hugged, and others I've hugged only at certain cultural landmark events (like funerals, their weddings, certain birthdays, etc) - this is perfectly normal. ...

feet shuffling-- nervousness, uncertainty, unsteady ground. This is probably too specific, and I should edit this out more.

ETA [info]evalangui: Not too specific but probably a bit exaggerated; I don’t think I have seen people do this in real life (just anime) and I think of it as a childish gesture as adults don’t usually are so obvious with their discomfort.

ETA [info]beethovenette87: Feet shuffling may suggest discomfort. Little kids do this when
the need to go to the bathroom. Or a girl might do it because her heels are too high, or nylons are too itchy.

straightened shoulders-- resolve, determination

slumped shoulders-- 1. tiredness, 2. defeat, 3. in some specific characters, a general pessimistic attitude towards the world

crossed arms-- 1. aloofness, and reserve 2. skepticism and disbelief, 3. defensiveness and vulnerability, form of self-comfort

ETA [info]evalangui: I think 3 is the most usual, the aloofness transmitted by crossed arms is not so much in the crossed arms, IMO, as in the rest of the pose(head high, shoulders back). 2 is not an interpretation I would have ever thought about; again, I think this is just part of a position that trasmits those feelings.

hugging his/her knees-- vulnerable like whoa. Think of a kid curled up in a corner, trying to make him/herself smaller so the monsters in the dark won't get him/her.

ETA [info]evalangui: ...hugging oneself would be IMO pretty universally interpreted as insecurity as is a reasonable movement to protect one’s body.

ETA [info]alya1989262: ...hugging one's knees could be also just trying to make oneself comfortable

ETA [info]beethovenette87: ...you might want to add there "a form of regression". Trying to be a little kid again.

looming/crowding another character's personal space-- intimidation tactic. The character's trying to make him/herself bigger and cow the other character. Males have an easier time pulling this one off, because of the body size advantage. Can be a bluff covering the loomer's insecurity. I think females can crowd another character's personal space, but it'd take some extra effort write this.

sparring-- fighting as a form of bonding between two or more people who have martial arts training/superhero strength/etc. Sometimes it gets serious enough that it would land a normal person in the hospital, but the characters can shrug it off. Sometimes it even ends with a trip to the infirmary, but it's still not a fight to the death. I just added this in gratuitously, because I tend to be drawn to story genres that include it (fantasy, adventure, horror, superheroes, etc.)

backslap/back pounding-- Tends to show up in forms of male bonding. Usually platonic. I've never seen a female use this gesture.

ETA [info]beethovenette87: ...I've gotten a backslap/pounding from a female.

how characters sit-- ETA [info]nellie_darlin: Something you could maybe add - the way people sit. For me, Sirius would never sit properly in a chair, either tipping it back on two legs in class, or slouching down with his legs sprawled, or sitting in an armchair with his legs over the arm, or sitting on the back of a bench with his feet on the seat. All of these show him being supremely self-confident, a hint of arrogance, and in class, defiance and insolence. McGonagall, by contrast, would always have a straight back and sit properly in chairs, but she wouldn't sit on the edge of her seat like someone nervy or nervous would - Petunia, for example, or maybe even Trelawney. (Ed. Note: In reference to Harry Potter characters.

feet-- ETA [info]devenustate: When two people are talking (I imagine this is the same in a group as well), their feet will face to the person they're talking to if it is someone they want to talk to... Basically, if one person is disinterested in the conversation, their feet will be facing away, almost like they're trying to run away. Your feet are so far away from your brain that they're often forgotten about...



Addendum: General Resources and Comments on Body Language

Desmond Morris' books:
Intimate Behavior: A Zoologist's Classic Study of Human Intimacy

Bodywatching: A Field Guide to the Human Species

Peter Collett's Book of Tells

[info]svilleficrecs talks about the progression of sexual contact


Pretty much everything on the list is debatable. The whole premise is debatable. ;) Thoughts? Comments? Questions? I'd really appreciate hearing from a wide variety of viewpoints. I also advise the curious to check out the thoughtful comments below
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[info]rabidfangurl

August 27 2005, 23:22:45 UTC 6 years ago

Um, whoa. This post is so going in my memories. This is like a shortcut to all the body language I use in fic with better descriptions of *why* it is used.

...for the record, I never meta about body language this deep, but that's because my characters tend to get the body language I would use a given situation.

::worship you::

[info]parallactic

August 28 2005, 20:06:41 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, thanks. I never thought it would be helpful to anyone. :) Just so you know, I might alter some things (edit for grammar, clarify some stuff, etc.).

I think I don't give the characters my own body language, because sometimes they're based on t.v. shows, and I can see how the actors move.

[info]imadra_blue

August 28 2005, 05:19:44 UTC 6 years ago

Wow. I'm totally adding this to my memories, it's brilliant. So much information, and makes a lot of sense to me. Very helpful on writing, and thought-provoking, because sometiems we do these things unconsciously. Very mice meta, thank you!

[info]parallactic

August 28 2005, 21:10:11 UTC 6 years ago

Thanks. Just so you know, I might alter some stuff (grammar, clarification, etc.). I'm surprised I'm getting so much agreement, because I thought it was such a subjective thing. I'm more used to exchanges like:

X: You're so immature.
Me (shocked speechless): Huh?
X: The silent treatment is so childish. You should be more upfront.
Me: ... I wasn't angry, I was lost in thought.

Anyway, I like body language to indicate character mood, over JKR's use of adverbs. But then again, my way is subject to misinterpretation, while JKR's "Harry said guiltily" phrases aren't. Are you sure none of the gestures threw you off?

[info]cycon

6 years ago

[info]furiosity

August 28 2005, 16:28:35 UTC 6 years ago

Brilliant post. Body language is something I use to a great extent because I write POV pieces mostly and there's nothing other than body language to tell my lead anything about other characters' mental states. Thanks for doing this. *memories*

[info]parallactic

August 28 2005, 21:28:55 UTC 6 years ago

Re: POV
Me, too. I'm something of a POV nazi. Sometimes I have to remind myself that my way is not everyone's way, and to loosen up.

I might change some parts of the post (add stuff, fix grammar, clarify stuff). Just so you know. Right now I'm wondering if using body language is too subject to misinterpretation, and suddenly sympathetic to JKR's abuse of adverbs.

And actually, I'm surprised you found nothing off about the post. Because, hey, you've lived in Hungary. (And you're Canadian, too, which is just America's 51st state *runs away*) While I know there's a finite variety of facial expressions and body contortions, I thought there might be some differences between the way Hungarians use personal space as opposed to say, west coast Americans. Like, different personal bubbles, more hands off or hands on, eye contact (or lack of) taken in different ways.

You have no idea how much RL wank I've come across about eye contact. Eye contact has become Teh Parable of cultural difference, and the attitude of: "Just because this is your way, doesn't mean that this is their way. Respect the difference, while getting along!"

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[info]clare_dragonfly

August 28 2005, 22:21:27 UTC 6 years ago

here from the Snitch

I agree with basically everything I've read. ALL of the stuff you say is "me-specific" is stuff I also use in my writing, even if, like you, I don't assign it that meaning in real life. Don't edit it out! It makes perfect sense! We seem to have fairly similar backgrounds, but still. Like other people said, this is totally going in my memories XD

Some things that are different for me:
Head tilt is thinking, listening, slight confusion, waiting (for the other person to clear up what they've said).
Head shaking is conufsion sometimes.
Hand hovering over something might, in addition to what you've said, indicate that they're about to reach for the thing but someone has started speaking to them, or they're in some way distracted and have paused before picking up the thing. I think that one would be pretty obvious in context though, heh.
Hand on arm is more comfort than affection to me.

D'you mind if I post a link to this in the writing community I co-mod ([info]write_away)? I think the members would appreciate it.

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 03:46:05 UTC 6 years ago

Re: here from the Snitch

The head tilt thing was one of the things I was going to edit. I relooked at it and went, "Wait a minute..."

I also think that a lot of body language cues would be dependent on the context of the story. I mean, some of my own personal interpretations were contradictory. :)

I'm editting the OP right now, and including your additions. Hope you don't mind.

Go right ahead and link. The more the merrier. It beats arguing with myself.

[info]jetamors

August 28 2005, 23:07:43 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, great post! I often feel like I don't put enough body language into my fics, so something like this is a great resource for me.

Some things that are somewhat wonky for me: (For reference, I'm black, mid-Atlantic, with both parents from the South.)

- Narrowed eyes have always confused me; I don't think it's something I've ever noticed anyone do IRL. I've gotten used to them being used in the circumstances you mention, though.

- Head tilts: I pretty much only associate those with that 'Oh!' or 'Huh, that's weird' moment when one finally understands something.

- Nail biting can occasionally mean deep thought.

- Hand on shoulder can also be a "Look here" motion. Goes hand-in-hand with the restraint thing, to me. (It's also something that makes me very uncomfortable IRL.)

- Hand on arm, in my experience, can be used in conjunction with some passive-aggressive objective. To me, it goes along with 'You're such a great friend. Therefore I know you'll be totally understanding and go along with X' where X is something that probably shouldn't be gone along with.

- The head thwap is also a long and hallowed disciplinary technique :)

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 04:21:39 UTC 6 years ago

I'm glad that it's helpful to you, because it's also helpful to me to figure out what doesn't translate or trip up the reader.

Narrowed eyes have confused me, too, which is why I put it there as an ambiguous reaction.

The head thwap is also a long and hallowed disciplinary technique

:D You just concisely stated what I was trying to say. And in the contexts I've seen it in, it's always by two people who are really close. They don't head thwap just anyone. I was part of a fandom where a mom character head thwapped her son constantly, and fan opinion was split between whether it was affection or abuse.

BTW, I'm adding your stuff in, though I'd be happy to take it down if you dislike it.

[info]s8219

August 28 2005, 23:33:03 UTC 6 years ago

I'm with [info]rabidfangurl. Memories, memories, memories! This is an excellent post. The things you sometimes forget about body language are perfectly laid out here. Even some of the body contact I never really considered.

Brushing fingertips brought up some interesting analyse.

intertwined fingers Personally, it represents intertwined lives. That's great, and yet again, another thing I never thought of with the action, but makes perfect sense.

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 04:30:28 UTC 6 years ago

Glad you think so. :) Though I never expect anyone else to have that association except me. The only thing I want to get across to the reader by that gesture is: "These characters are close." It would suck massively if instead, the gesture meant: "These characters hate each other." ;) But I also think that context helps.

[info]thefreshchuff

August 28 2005, 23:54:23 UTC 6 years ago

I'm with, uh everyone else, this is going in my memories.

Also, the holding hands and jumping up and down bit; I immediately thought of Will on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He'd do that a lot with Carlton or Ashley. So I think that if the male is acting silly, he'd do the jumping up and down (possibly screaming/laughing hysterically) bit. I have seen guys do it to mock girls who are jumping up and down screaming. But never in serious excitement, just being silly/making fun of someone.

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 04:36:52 UTC 6 years ago

Huh, that's interesting. I added your bit about hand jumping to the OP. Hope you don't mind. I can see guys doing it in mockery, and with a falsetto voice. :)

[info]svilleficrecs

August 29 2005, 00:11:44 UTC 6 years ago

Memories post here too. :) Thought you might be interested in this table about the progression of sexual contact, from Desmond Morris, Anthropologist. His book "Intimate Behavior" is a fascinating look at the human animals and how they signal to their potential mates. it's interesting to see where certain stories focus... I hope this formatting survives the post...

Stage Corresponding action Key point
1) Eye to body First look Someone catches your eye
2) Eye to eye Preening gestures Yes/no signal (given by the female)
3) Voice to voice Talking Verbal screening
4) Hand to hand (or shoulder) Initial physical contact Usually initiated by female
Until now these behaviors occur in public or social settings
5) Arm to shoulder Bodies closer together Possible isolation
6) Arm to waist More intimate contact Likely while withdrawing from public
7) Mouth to mouth Kissing Less likely to be in public
8) Hand to head/face Probable isolation
9) Hand to body Sexual contact Isolation
10) Mouth to breast Foreplay Isolation
11) Hand to genitals Isolation
12) Intercourse Isolation
Repeat steps three through 12. Up to stage 8 often publicly displayed

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 04:53:29 UTC 6 years ago

I think I read that somewhere. Though I'd argue that a lot of the earlier stages can be platonic. I guess maybe that's why they're done in public. :) I have known of several people who think eye contact is a sexual come-on. *rolls eyes* I'll definitely look up that book.

I linked to this in the OP.

Anonymous

August 29 2005, 01:42:45 UTC 6 years ago

from daily snitch

Hi. I looked through the list and comments and I agree with most everything people have said. Would just like to add that depending on the people involved, looking someone in the eye could be an act of defiance (also straightforwardness) or intimidation as well. But usually you can glean that from the context - particularly from what the person is saying.

If I read that some character is looking at their hands, I tend to think that they're uncomfortable with the subject at hand (hah), or, if they're speaking, they don't have complete faith in or aren't particularly sure of what they're saying.

I think that holding one's head in one's hands is also a debatably universal gesture of hopelessness or grief. But yeah. Dunno.

I'll repeat - nice post; good topic!

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 04:57:19 UTC 6 years ago

Re: from daily snitch

I'd forgotten that hand looking could also be discomfort, and I think I also used that one in the past but it slipped my mind. Hm, I think it would have been more accurate for me to have said that looking at one's hands is associated with evaluating one's own ability to do something. And depending on the character, it could either be a sign of confidence or doubt.

I'm adding this stuff.

[info]cycon

August 29 2005, 01:46:56 UTC 6 years ago

Have you ever read Bodywatching by Desmond Morris? It takes you through the body region by region (hair, face, neck, etc.), and describes not only how various cultures decorate those parts, but what body language arises from each part. Very interesting.

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 06:10:10 UTC 6 years ago

No. Someone else also mentioned a book by this author. I checked, and this book isn't in print. I'll look him up at the library. It does sound interesting.

[info]newbia

August 29 2005, 02:01:03 UTC 6 years ago

Thanks for writing this. I agree with basically everything you say, and didn't find any "me-specific" stuff. However, there were times when I mistook one body signal for another. For example, I mistook "looking at his/her own hands" for "averted eyes", because a lot of people look down when they're avoiding eye contact or shy, or do their nails when they're bored.

[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 06:35:30 UTC 6 years ago

I split those two because averted eyes (looking away) could be looking up, down, or sideways. While hands would be looking down if you're sitting, or at the ground if you're standing. Where else did you mistake one body signal for another? *curious*

I'm editting the post, and added your bit about shyness.

[info]evalangui

August 29 2005, 04:06:16 UTC 6 years ago

Really interesting post *adds to memories* I know that I personally need to apply a lot of these since I tend to make the characters express themselves too well with words. We all know what this gestures mean but you dont think about them(even when you read them) so it`s show dont tell and can be very expressive. So thank you.*bows*

As for the interpretation I think the problem would only appear in oriental societies(and in people who are not affected by globalization) and only with a few of these since body language is directly connected to the body that all humans share. For example, I heard that shaking your head is in(was it India?) an affirmative gesture but hugging oneself would be IMO pretty universally interpreted as insecurity as is a reasonable movement to protect one’s body.

I`m argentinian but very much “globalized”. I think you need to consider that when someone reads in English they must have absorbed some of English manners/culture in the learning process, as a reversed example people who learn Japanese or just watch anime learn about their cultural traits. By the time you know enough to actually read in a language you are also partially immersed in it’s culture, so while you might get confused sometimes it probably wont be with body language, which is pretty basic.

They all sound about right to me except these two.

feet shuffling-- nervousness, uncertainty, unsteady ground. This is probably too specific, and I should edit this out more.

Not to specific but probably a bit exaggerated, I don’t think I have seen people do this in real life(just anime) and I think of it as a childish gesture as adults don’t usually are so obvious with their discomfort.

crossed arms-- 1. aloofness, and reserve 2. skepticism and disbelief, 3. defensiveness and vulnerability, form of self-comfort

I think 3 is the most usual, the aloofness crossed arms can transmit is not so much in the crossed arms IMO as in the rest of the pose(head high, shoulders back) and 2 is not an interpretation I would have ever thought about, again I think this is just a part of a position that trasmits that feelings.

grabbing hands and jumping up and down-- female gesture of shared excitement, usually young females, and even then, not often. I've never seen any male do this. Although I have read fanfic where male characters did this. *winces*
*winces too*

About eye-contact(I know I`m ranking, cannot seem to stop) I think it`s very personal(though I`ve been told Japanese find it offensive from strangers), I have difficulties maintaining it(it`s too intimate), some people seem to expect it as a sign you are paying attention.

Kisses on the cheek? Just one time in Argentina, I keep getting confused since in Spain it’s one in each cheek(I see it`s like that in most of Europe), a lot of people do it when they are presented or meet someone new while in Argentina it`s usually for people you already know(or maybe is personal XD).


[info]parallactic

August 29 2005, 07:27:08 UTC 6 years ago

I know that I personally need to apply a lot of these since I tend to make the characters express themselves too well with words.

I used to have a huge problem with this, too. My characters would ramble, dissect their motives, talk about how their childhoods infuenced them, quote poetry and philosophers, etc. Then I realized that I wasn't writing about characters, I was writing about voices in my head. I got better. I think one of the helpful things about writing fanfic vs. original fic is that we can work out kinks like this, and it helps us distinguish between authorial avatar and 3D character. Ideally, that is. That's not to say that putting in aspects of ourselves in a character is bad, but that it would be problematic to have 10 versions of the same person running around. ;)

I think you need to consider that when someone reads in English they must have absorbed some of English manners/culture in the learning process...

I hadn't taken this into consideration. Thanks for bringing it up. :) I'm in the process of editing the OP, and adding in other commenters' interpretations. I also took the liberty of adding yours.

By the time you know enough to actually read in a language you are also partially immersed in it’s culture, so while you might get confused sometimes it probably wont be with body language, which is pretty basic.

So I think that, while we can share a common language, and there's a finite amount of body gestures, there's a wealth of interpretation. And the divide isn't just between people from two different cultures, it also differs on an individual level. Like you stated earlier, about Japanese eye contact. I've always thought of eye contact as a social minefield.

Re: feet shuffling
Not to specific but probably a bit exaggerated, I don’t think I have seen people do this in real life(just anime) and I think of it as a childish gesture as adults don’t usually are so obvious with their discomfort.

I was thinking of kids when I wrote that, especially young!Neville or young!Peter. I have seen some adults in RL who sway on their feet, and look down, with their shoulders slumped. It's similar, but could be entirely different.

About eye-contact(I know I`m ranking, cannot seem to stop) I think it`s very personal(though I`ve been told Japanese find it offensive from strangers), I have difficulties maintaining it(it`s too intimate), some people seem to expect it as a sign you are paying attention.

Maybe I should have used the alphabet instead of numbers. Some of the gestures were hierarchized, but others were random and all of the interpretations held true (even if contrary to each other). Eye contact confuses me as well. I usually end up trying to follow the other person's lead, or don't think about it.

That's interesting, about Argentinian vs. Spanish cheek kissing. I never knew that.

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[info]emirall

August 29 2005, 11:30:28 UTC 6 years ago

Reformatting

Actually, fixing the formatting should be really easy. The mistake is in the last LJ-cut you made. Instead of doing: "< Addendum: General [...]" you should just erase that "<". It's supposed to work out then.

Your post is great! Really helpful too. :)

And in regard to kissing: Many of the French kiss each other on the cheek every time they meet. (As long as they're friends/family.) I've seen someone stop in the middle of a crowded shopping area just to kiss her friend who coincidentally passed her.

The grabbing of someone's hands and jumping up and down is something I've honestly only seen very young children do. Both boys and girls actually. But we're talking about age 3 - 6 then.

[info]parallactic

August 30 2005, 22:15:30 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Reformatting

Thanks for the tip. :D The post looked all right in Semagic's preview function, but turned to crap on lj, so I didn't know what went wrong. :/

I'm glad you mentioned the part with little kids. I don't come into contact with kids that little, so I didn't know that. I've mostly seen the gesture in some teenage girls.

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[info]nellie_darlin

August 29 2005, 12:42:23 UTC 6 years ago

This is wonderful, and I agree with your interpretations for almost everything (I'm British, by the way...)

I'm fascinated by body language, and I use it along with adverbs and adjectives. For me, the body language description is how characters become 3D and visualised. You know, you can have an endless list of adverbs and adjectives, but sometimes just a well-written sentence can do the job. My characters tend to develop their own specific body language - like my Marauders Era Remus, who taps his fingers when he's nervous, and smiles and ducks his head and averts his gaze when he's uncomfortable. James to me is very twitchy and fidgety, but when he gets on a broom he suddenly becomes co-ordinated and elegant, like Krum.

Body language is incredibly important to me in the fic I'm writing at the moment, because I'm currently writing the build-up to Remus and Sirius getting together, which involves body language liek woah - lingering glances, face-touching, pointed looks, jealousy, lip biting, lip licking, all sorts. Great fun. Just hope I'm doing it properly....

Something you could maybe add - the way people sit. For me, Sirius would never sit properly in a chair, either tipping it back on two legs in class, or slouching down with his legs sprawled, or sitting in an armchair with his legs over the arm, or sitting on the back of a bench with his feet on the seat. All of these show him being supremely self-confident, a hint of arrogance, and in class, defiance and insolence. McGonagall, by contrast, would always have a straight back and sit properly in chairs, but she wouldn't sit on the edge of her seat like someone nervy or nervous would - Petunia, for example, or maybe even Trelawney.

And as a slightly random comment, in my favourite play that I saw recently, The History Boys, the direction of the body language was amazing. It was about a group of Oxbridge candidates and how they prepare for their exams. The confident, fanciable one always slouched, like Sirius; the cheeky ones always slouched right down too; and most brilliantly, the nervous, insecure one would sit up straight, but his feet were the clues - he would collapse his ankles outward, turning his feet onto the edges with the soles facing each other, if you see what I mean. Difficult to describe, but pinned his character down perfectly for me onstage.

Aaanyways, enough rambling.

[info]parallactic

August 30 2005, 23:32:24 UTC 6 years ago

You know, you can have an endless list of adverbs and adjectives, but sometimes just a well-written sentence can do the job. My characters tend to develop their own specific body language -

I agree about the well-written sentence. Body language is so concise, although that Rodin's thinker pose is a little hard to get across in words. My characters also develop their own body language. It's one of the ways I seperate them from 'me'. I think body language also helps you understand how the character inhabits the world and interacts with people. For example, a short person will be treated and interact with the world differently than a tall person. Same thing with looks, or anything else.

James also came across as very fidgety to me, too; I think it was because of the pensieve scene where he kept playing with the snitch.

Body language is incredibly important to me in the fic I'm writing at the moment, because I'm currently writing the build-up to Remus and Sirius getting together,

Have you read [info]svilleficrecs's comment about the progression of sexual contact? That might be helpful to you in your writing.

The confident, fanciable one always slouched, like Sirius; the cheeky ones always slouched right down too; and most brilliantly, the nervous, insecure one would sit up straight, but his feet were the clues -

That's interesting, because my American background is trying to tell me that slouchers are slackers, or unconfident. That confidence is stereotypically shown by good posture, meeting someone's eyes, and a firm handshake. (And the person is supposed to radiate earnestness, enthusiasm, and competence. Percy, without the starch in him.) But I have noticed from the [info]hp_britglish comments, that British people also interpret slouching as insouciance and being so confident you didn't have to care. (And the person was supposed to radiate nonchalance, and effortless poise.) I've actually seen some people with that sort of body language, the confident sloucher, but I always thought it was an exception. I wonder what the difference is between the unconfident sloucher and the confident sloucher.

I like your rambling, because it's so fruitful. :)

[info]evalangui

August 29 2005, 15:10:43 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Adding your comments

*blushes* Do change it, of course, I`m grammar obsessed like whoa. I dont consider it rude either, it`s helpfull^^

The auxiliar dont is wrongly used in "dont usually are" because the verb to be being and auxiliar itself does not need another?

The this, those and that XD, yeah, I mess up there. Why is it wrong to use the active in here: "the aloofness crossed arms can transmit"? or it`s just not usual?

It`s rambling and not ranking, of course.

[info]parallactic

August 30 2005, 23:51:09 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Adding your comments

I'm monolingual and had a hard time learning foreign languages, so I can't tell you for certain. I'm glad I didn't offend you. :)

I think 'don't usually are' is incorrect, because you don't need the "don't". The word, "are" can be changed to a negative statement, "aren't". I think it's one of those English rules that have something to do with needing only one negative in a sentence.

Re: "the aloofness crossed arms can transmit"
It's not technically wrong, but it reads off in English. This is a bit of a gut feeling for me. I think it's because 'transmit' is the active verb. The standard English sentence is: subject, verb, object. How the subject interacts with the object. Aloofness (subject) transmitted (verb- to transmit, transmitted, transmitting) by crossed arms (object). I think your original sentence read off, because you were using the verb, transmit, as an object. You were using 'can' as the verb in the sentence, but 'transmit' works better. I'm not completely certain, so you might want to ask someone else.

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[info]alya1989262

August 29 2005, 21:23:01 UTC 6 years ago

Um, hugging one's knees could be also just trying to make oneself comfortable (I do it all the time).
Also, when I'm stressed, I tend to have my shoulders uber-straightened (but this could be me-specific... I fit into the absolutely-not-tactile category with extreme ease :) - Ok, I'm rambling, sorry.)

Thank you for the excellent reference!
~Alya~

[info]parallactic

August 31 2005, 00:16:52 UTC 6 years ago

Also, when I'm stressed, I tend to have my shoulders uber-straightened (but this could be me-specific... I fit into the absolutely-not-tactile category with extreme ease

That's interesting. Maybe it's one of those RL vs. fiction things, unless you're trying to appear confident/self-assured when you're stressed? When your characters stress out, how do you write them? *curious*

[info]arielstreasures

August 31 2005, 18:03:50 UTC 6 years ago

What a great idea! :)

I didn't notice shifty eyes up there - this often indicates lying/deception - I read it in a detective how-to book.

Oh yeah, I've gotten a backslap/pounding from a female. My writer's craft teacher gave one to me. It was when she was leaving. I couldn't stop crying. She gave me one to tell me to "be strong." :)

For looking at one's own hands, this could also indicate some internal emotion going on, ie. Lady Macbeth, "Will these hands n'er be clean..." Often, very emotionally pained people will cut their hands, ie. self-harm.
There's another circumstance. Myself, being a piano player, would look at my hands with a certain degree of protectiveness. The same would go for an artist, or another type of musician. Hands often suggest a nurturing quality, ie. the nurturing mother within us all. The lines across our palms may suggest fate, destiny, or unique qualities, etc.

I would agree that a voice cracking leads to emotional stress.

About hugging I read in a book once that when people who really trust each other hug, they hug by leaning into one another - leaning in some of the body weight. People who don't trust each other might give 'surface hugs', really light ones. I don't know if this is necessarily true or not, I read it in The Spirit Window, by Joyce Sweeney.

Feet shuffling may suggest discomfort. Little kids do this when the need to go to the bathroom. Or a girl might do it because her heels are too high, or nylons are too itchy.

Hugging knees - you might want to add there "a form of regression". Trying to be a little kid again.

Wonderful list! :)

[info]arielstreasures

August 31 2005, 18:04:58 UTC 6 years ago

...sorry...heheh...didn't mean to make the entire last three lines bolded. only "feet shuffling" and "hugging knees".

[info]baseballchica03

August 31 2005, 21:33:55 UTC 6 years ago

gaze/direction they're looking in/head turn

There is often evidence to show that if a person is looking down and to the right, they are "creating" and down and to the left is "recalling." ie: If a person is looking down and to the right, he/she is probably lying.


Good resource. This is all very interesting.

[info]baseballchica03

August 31 2005, 21:36:10 UTC 6 years ago

PS

face touching

Nose scratching is often indicative of lying, as well. (What can I say, I'm in politics, and one of my closest friends is in psychology. :-p)

[info]daegaer

September 1 2005, 07:23:14 UTC 6 years ago

American culture seems very much more huggy than Irish to me - I have friends I've never hugged, and others I've hugged only at certain cultural landmark events (like funerals, their weddings, certain birthdays, etc) - this is perfectly normal. I was very struck by the hugging the first time I went to America - strangers hugging me left me feeling like they were putting themselves into the exceptionally close friends/family category (mind you, most of my early US visits were connected to the SCA which is a very huggy group). Similarly, I used to be on the ClarkLex mailing list, and a recurring topic was Lex's "issues with being touched" in which some US posters would posit he had said issues because he didn't hug as much as other characters, and other (older? I'm not sure) US posters and British and Irish ones would point out he seemed quite normally polite by their expectations (he engages in different socially acceptable touching, mainly hand shaking or neutral touches to arms, and reserves other touches for intimates of varying types).

And on types of kiss - kisses on the top of the head seem particularly parent -> child to me, or if done between people of the same age, platonically affectionate (to me the kisser is putting the kissee in a temporary child/to be protected role - not a sexual kiss at all).

[info]daegaer

September 1 2005, 07:30:09 UTC 6 years ago

Another thought! It seems quite normal to me to hug people I've met through internet fandom (and seems quite normal to them as well, even if they're from similar hug-level cultures) - this could be because people can get to know each other through LJ and email, so when we meet in the flesh, it's partially a reunion with a friend who is already known, rather than meeting a total stranger. Perhaps some level of Americanisation of gesture is also involved, given the largely American nature of fandom source material and fans, but that's pure speculation on my part.

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[info]delurker

September 1 2005, 13:29:14 UTC 6 years ago

head lift-- 1. arrogance, or extreme security in self, 2. resolve. Is this just an American thing, or what?
I'd see a head lift as a prelude to action, but I'd expect to see other body language with it - squaring of the shoulders, perhaps, or (more likely) a straightening up of the body. Basically getting ready to move.

Also, the issue of proxemics - how close people stand to each other - is a rather interesting one, and very culturally bound, although hard to write about in fiction. I'm tired because it's late, but I can write about it if anyone's interested.

[info]parallactic

September 1 2005, 21:08:08 UTC 6 years ago

I'd be interested, and would link to it if you want to do it in your own lj or in the comments. I knew there was a word for the use of personal space, but it wasn't coming to mind. I also think that it's hard to convey in fiction, but I also visualize where characters are in relation to other characters, and think it informs what does make it on the page.

[info]snowyheart

September 1 2005, 16:58:18 UTC 6 years ago

I love this post--it's so cool to think about this stuff. :)

I've also seen people shake their heads when hearing about something bad that happened to someone else; it seems like a way of saying, "man, that's terrible, how awful." I think it's a gesture of sympathizing.

There's nodding too: to show agreement of course, or just to say yes. This might be just where I'm from, but I've seen men nod very slightly to show respect toward a lady--hearkens back to when a man bowed his head a little to take his hat off, and means the same thing.

[info]parallactic

September 1 2005, 21:17:15 UTC 6 years ago

I love this post--it's so cool to think about this stuff. :)

Thanks. :)

There's nodding too: to show agreement of course, or just to say yes. This might be just where I'm from, but I've seen men nod very slightly to show respect toward a lady--hearkens back to when a man bowed his head a little to take his hat off, and means the same thing.

That's interesting. I've never seen men nod to women to show respect. I've seen people, men and women, nod to acknowledge the other person, usually when they're walking in different directions, and they just recognized a face.

[info]callherblondie

September 1 2005, 19:32:53 UTC 6 years ago

This post is fantastic and so useful. As a writer, I often struggle with writing body language.

[info]parallactic

September 1 2005, 21:18:01 UTC 6 years ago

Thanks. :) I'm glad it's of use for other people.

[info]nike_victory

September 9 2005, 22:59:16 UTC 6 years ago

Hi. I found your post while playing catch-up with [info]metafandom.

Most of your "me-specific"s I have actually used. Like the wrist grabbing meaning something different in different situations. Another reason I've had one character grab another's wrist is the first wants to the second to drop whatever they're holding (like a weapon or other potentially dangerous item). I've also used crossed arms as an indication of skepticism.

You've forgotten lip bitting. Lip bitting can be a nervous habit, a sign of thought, or a physical sign of the person holding something back (like the - verbal - truth, their true strength, or a scream).

I've found a combination of gestures tend to speak louder than simply one by itself - unless you combine that one with a word of explanation. I've found myself using the phrase "blinked in surprise" more than once, although in my mind's eye, how they blink depends on the character. For some it's one blink followed by a stare, usually incredulous in nature, while other characters blink rapidly.

I've found, at least with my characters, that their physical gestures vary from person to person. For example, one scene I wrote had two characters observing the exact same thing and both of them reacting in surprise. One dropped his jaw, while the other's eyebrows rose. Their reactions to the situation are very much based on their characterization - the jaw dropper was well and truly shocked by what he saw while his companion was surprised, but only mildly so because he was expecting something along those lines to happen, just not what did occur. Here is the scene in question if you wish to look at it and see if you get the same impression. If not (either in looking or getting the same impression), that's fine, but I welcome the opportunity to discuss it. :-)

[info]parallactic

September 15 2005, 06:24:50 UTC 6 years ago

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. My life got a little hectic.

I'll add lip biting to the list.

I've found a combination of gestures tend to speak louder than simply one by itself - unless you combine that one with a word of explanation. I've found myself using the phrase "blinked in surprise" more than once,

Yeah, I do that, too. But it's interesting to see the break down of gestures--which ones have ambiguous meanings, and which are near universal (or at least, no one's objected to). For example, no one's talked about any alternate meanings to a raised eyebrow, so it's nearly safe to use that isolated gesture and be assured that the reader will know the character is skeptical.

I've found, at least with my characters, that their physical gestures vary from person to person./i>

Yeah, I think one way to get at characterization is to give each of them distinctive movements. Its a pet peeve of mine when a writer universalizes what should be a specific character trait, like fidgeting. Not everyone's a fidgeter. Then again, not everyone blinks in surprise, so this could be a case of pot calling kettle black. ;) I checked out your snippet, and I see what you mean.

[info]alixtii

September 16 2005, 22:29:26 UTC 6 years ago

Such a great source! Bookmarked. Bookmarked a while ago, actually, but I'm just reading it now.

kisses on the top of the head seem particularly
parent & child to me, or if done between people of the same age, platonically affectionate


I always thought it was incredibly patronizing for a guy to kiss a woman on the forehead. Then I got a girlfriend and realized that when one is taller than the other person, sometimes its the only way the angles line up--otherwise the kissee needs to be straining hir neck to look up at you.

[info]parallactic

September 21 2005, 05:48:17 UTC 6 years ago

Thanks.

Good point on the kissing--I guess some body gestures should be contextualized by the actual bodies people inhabit. I think it could come off as patronizing if the couple were of equal height. I'll add it in.

[info]devenustate

January 1 2006, 14:45:51 UTC 6 years ago

I found this to be *really* interesting! I'm something of a body language fiend myself - not just in writing (I've had to concentrate on it recently as my English teacher has wisely told us to *show* not *tell*) but in real life. Tis very interesting - "There is often evidence to show that if a person is looking down and to
the right, they are "creating" and down and to the left is "recalling." ie: If a person is looking down and to the right, he/she is probably lying." This especially made me :O

And the thing about different backgrounds is intriguing - like those HSBC adverts. I'm not sure if they're shown anywhere outside of the UK, but it's things like the Bristish don't like strangers sitting too close, while south american countries have a much more relaxed POV on personal space. And I think a thumbs up in Greece is really offensive...

I have a couple of things that haven't been mentioned - though I have scanned through, I'm sure I will have missed something.

When two people are talking (I imagine this is the same in a group as well), their feet will face to the person they're talking to if it is someone they want to talk to (badly phrazed, I know - I'm so tired) Basically, if one person is disinterested in the coversation, their feet will be facing away, almost like they're trying to run away. Your feet are so far away from your brain that they're often forgotten about...

Another is for the hands - flexing them. Could be warming them up, flexing them with glee, or just wigglingly them (often accompanied with a "oooh") which I would use sarcastically between friends as a joke... Oh, and I sometimes do this - for anger. At the sides of your body, with your arms rigid, and your fingers just flexed out solidly. I do this when I'm angry but don't have an oppertunity to express it.

Ack - much waffling, but a great post.

[info]parallactic

January 12 2006, 02:53:37 UTC 6 years ago

I'm sorry for taking so long to get back to you. My RL got busy, and I didn't have the time to update the post. ::sheepish::

I haven't seen the HSBC adverts, so maybe they do only show it in the UK. I live in the U.S.A. It sounds interesting, though.

I hadn't heard about some of the things you listed, especially the feet. Thanks for the helpful info; I'll add it to the post. :)
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